Him indoors has sometimes commented that since I began this journal, I have written quite a lot about my family and my ancestors but his family have never got a look in so to speak. I tell him that he did not have a family - he was hatched!
So today I thought I would redress the balance a little. To be honest, we do not have a great deal to go on. Mike never knew his Grandfather (on his Dad's side). Grandfather passed away when Mike was just a toddler but I will share with you all the facts that we know.
Christian Friedrich O arrived in London on the 3rd July 1890. He was sixteen years old and had sailed entirely alone from Germany where he was born and where his family remained. He was the son of Wilhelm Gottleib O and Eva Maria Gebert and the second of their nine children. We can never know what prompted him to uproot and settle in England. In the town where he was born, the family were quite prominent, several of his ancestors being Mayor of the town. His father was a master baker and that was the trade he was to follow.
Whether he stayed with a cousin or some other relative is not known but he remained close to the London docks in Rotherhithe. I cannot speak for today, but in those days it was one of the worst areas of East London, It was poverty stricken and the crime rate very high. It must have been tough especially for a young lad, newly arrived on these shores and speaking no English. That is probably why he lived where he did. The German community tended to stick together exactly as the Irish and the Chinese and all other nationalities did.
He worked very hard at his trade learning all there was to know and becoming a master baker and confectioner himself. It is very likely that he had known his future wife from back home. She would have been fifteen when he left Germany. Whether they had already taken a liking to each other or fallen in love, cannot ever be known. But at a later date she came to England as well and they were married on the 30th July 1897. He would have been 23 and his bride 22. There has always been some mystery as to her name because it varies on different documents. Sometimes it is Christianne Rose, sometimes it is Christine Rosa and others just Rosa and her surname was Weiss. So they settled into married life and Christian Friedrich opened two shops, one in Harringay and one in Wood Green. They prospered.
They had four children Lena Rose (1899) Christian William (1901) Frederick George (1904) and Harold Albert (1912). Three of them followed their father into the bakery business, Christian and Frederick became bakers both owning shops in their own right. Lena married Albert K and after the death of her father, Albert who was also a baker, took over the two shops that her father had established and the business continued and was then eventually run by her two sons, Robert and Leslie. It was the ever increasing growth of the supermarkets that finally put an end to it all. The last child, Harold, had no interest in bakery whatsoever. He wanted to be a doctor and so it proved. He became an orthopaedic surgeon at Whipps Cross Hospital in London and later a well-known Consultant.
Here is a picture of Grandfather and family. I have no idea when it was taken:
Back row, left to right: Harold, Albert K, Christian (Mike's Dad)
Middle row, left to right: Lena, Grandma, Grandpa and Alice (Christian's first wife).
Front row, left to right: Robert K, Eileen O, Leslie K and Phyllis O. Robert and Leslie being the sons of Lena and Albert and the two girls being the daughters of Christian and Alice. (Mike's half-sisters)
There is not much more I can add about Mike's Grandfather. In 1911 he formerly changed his name and from then on was Christian Frederick and the surname became more English sounding. The papers relating to his change of name and British citizenship were signed by Winston Churchill who was then the Secretary Of State. Grandfather was, from what we have been told, a very kind and gentle man, a hard-worker and a great family man. We do not know if he was a religious man or whether he had any hobbies. Apart from the facts I have stated, we know nothing else. This is the only other photo we possess of him. Taken later in life. His eyes look so very sad in this picture. Mike wishes so much he had known him and I feel the same.
He died in 1941 at the age of 67. We have no idea where he is buried.
Well, I hope you have enjoyed this little insight into the family of him indoors. I have enjoyed writing it and I know Mike is pleased that his family has had "a look in " at last.
39 comments:
I love old family photos and learning family history. Thanks for sharing.
Missie
Oh how very sad that Mike never knew his grandfather. Grandparents have such special relationships with their grandchildren. Even though he never met him, he must feel proud to belong to such a pioneering family. Eileenx
TY for sharing, nice entry. Great pic!
Have a nice weekend.
Sugar
Having worked with my family genealogy...I know Mike is proud of this beautiful story of his family....as will the grandsons later when they are older....wouldn't the church have the burial place for the grandfather....??? Wish here in the USA that the church has more info about families like they do in England...hope to hear more of both families....love to hear the stories and see the pics....happy day to you both...Ora of Kentucky....PS...love the way you refer to husband as "him indoors" LOLOL...really sweet
((((((((((((((((((((((((((((HUGSTOYOU))))))))))))))))))))))Thank you for sharing your story with us.It was very touching.I wouldnt know how to beging to talk about my familys past.We have a big family.Are you looking around to were He was burried and His wife?I hope you have a nice weekend.
Good job on very little to go on. I really don't have a lot of details about either side of my family and never knew any of my grandparents, so I sympathize. I wonder did Mike come by any of his familys baking abilities? Joni
Mike's Grandfather was a very brave young man to sail that far by himself with no other family with him. That is a great family photo and also of his Grandfather by himself. Thanks for sharing about his family. I enjoyed reading it very much. Helen
wow I love the OLD pics such a different time. Thanks for sharing this story too
you've done him indoors proud!!
Lyn
Very interesting. I am fascinated by genealogy and hope to do more once I retire. My problem is my dad's side of the family (the Smith's) ..so far I've hit a brick wall. I don't know about the U.K. but in the U.S. there is a grave registery you can check for locations, etc. However, the only hitch is...the cemeteries have to be diligent about registering the information and that doesn't always happen. I have ancestors from Germany too, my mom's father was a Stern..at least that's the way it was spelled in the U.S. My aunt (who was a Mormon) had a problem with that line too because so many people from Germany, Ireland, etc changed their names on the boats coming over because they were treated so poorly, once they got here, if people found out they were German or Irish. Again..very interesting, Thanks for sharing...Linda in WA
Gr8 pictures Jeanette its nice to know the history behind the faces... Helen in Ireland
For the little you know it is quite well presented. Now I want to know--Did Mike inherit any of those baking talents??? They do say our traits are passed on. I know very little about my own husband's family, but am trying to find more. Recently one of his Aunts volunteered to pass on some about her mother's family. Bit by bit we will know a little more. 'On Ya' - ma
Really interesting entry and thanks for sharing...For what little you do know about Mike's family they sound like a very prominent, hard working family...you never know you may manage to find out more one day Caff xxxxx
Isnt it annoying not knowing more ,it would be lovely if you could find out more ,Mike would be so pleased ,however that was very interesting ..love Jan xx
Jeannette I loved those old photographs ~ and enjoyed reading about Mike's family ~ lol at you telling him he was hatched :o) ~ Ally
What a great entry Jeanette, thanks for sharing this with us. As regards the date of the photo, I would think judging by the clothes and hairstyles of Lena and Alice that it was probably taken somewhere between 1928-1932. Although the suspender suits the boys are wearing apppear in a fashion catalogue for 1923, but were presumably sold for many years, the children's shoes are more likely to be around 1930ish I think and the girls have the Shirley Temple look about them.
Angie
Loved this Jeanette, interesting story and the pics hold so much history.
luv bella xx
Great story, thanks for sharing
You've got such a knack for entertaining people. Visiting here, my friend, is like sitting on your sofa, sipping tea, while chatting. Loved the entry - love you too.
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Many of us have lost so much of our family history along life's road, haven't we? I have often thought how wonderful it would be if I could somehow go back in time and see life as my greatgrandparents saw it or even as my grandparents saw it. I am fortunate that my father is still alive and tells me stories of how it was when he was a child right after the depression.
Your journal and pictures were so interesting today. Have you ever published anything? You have such an "easy to read" style. Love the pink roses again. Nancy
You did a wonderful job of writing about Mike's family and it was interesting and thought provoking to read about his journey from Germany. I think that as a young man he had an urge to see and experience new things. He obviously had a great ability to succeed and worked hard to achieve his goals. People didn't know what they were missing by buying the mass produced bread from the supermarkets to save a little money. Thank you for sharing the photographs of Mike's wonderful family. mark
Great job in genealogy, Jeannette, well done.
As always wonderful to read thank you Jeanette. You did a great job and know more than I think you realise LOL Love as always and Godbless Jennie
As always wonderful to read thank you Jeanette. You did a great job and know more than I think you realise LOL Love as always and Godbless Jennie
Dear Jeannette, what a fascinating entry. I really enjoyed it (as I do all your entries). Hope you are feeling a little better now. Hugs. Terry x
I love hearing about other people and their ancestories. You did a great job on this entry. I loved it. ((((((((hugs))))))))))
Cindy
How sweet that Mike was feeling left out of the journal.... it amazes me sometimes how supportive the hubbys are of our journaling...
Tell Him Indoors Hello!
Linda :)
really interesting!everyone should find out a little family history as one day it may be too late.Beckie.xx
Hi Jeannette it was interesting reading about Mikes family as always you made such a good job of it ,thanks for sharing .......Love Jeanx
Well Jeanette, that was an absolutely spot on entry. That should satisfy himself for a while! Well done, you!
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i love family history and pics...have agreat weekend
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Nice of you to give Mike a little equal time. I enjoyed the photos. - BArbara
How nice that you did an entry on Mike's heritage, and how wonderful that Mike takes a great interest in your journal. I'm very impressed. It is sad that he didn't get to know his grandfather. Fascinating history, though. My dad's father also had his name changed from a Slovak spelling to a more English name. You and Mike have a peaceful Sunday. Love xx Chris
I love the pictures and the history! He had a very good looking family! You are both so fortunate to have the information you do have. Thank you for writing about it!
Hugs, Kathy
I enjoyed the pictures and the history - I hope he is happy with that - he should be you did a good job!!! Love Laine xxxx
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very interesting history of mike's family. I am inspired to try and find out about my own. love conniexx
Your entry was so interesting!! You always have the prettiest tags too....such a pretty journal!!
Take Care,
~Bilinda~
I loved seeing the old photos...and your explaining all...I did enjoy the insight into Mikes family...may your week be blessed and happy.
Hugs and love,
Joyce
New to this just wanted to say what wonderful pictures, will keep watching.
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